{"id":14261,"date":"2024-03-31T21:05:08","date_gmt":"2024-03-31T10:05:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/?p=14261"},"modified":"2024-12-31T14:36:00","modified_gmt":"2024-12-31T03:36:00","slug":"jordan-peterson-greg-sheridan-and-the-christian-myth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/index.php\/2024\/03\/31\/jordan-peterson-greg-sheridan-and-the-christian-myth\/","title":{"rendered":"Jordan Peterson, Greg Sheridan and the Christian myth"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In November last year, Greg Sheridan, Foreign Editor of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Australian<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u2013 a newspaper for which I regularly write feature essays, opinion pieces and reviews \u2013 had a long feature in its \u2018Inquirer\u2019 section about Jordan Peterson\u2019s Association for Responsible Citizenship (ARC). This is my response to Sheridan, whose robust, literalistic Catholicism continues to puzzle me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sheridan related that, at an ARC conference in London last year, in conversation with Peterson, he asked him:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cDo you yourself believe that Christianity is true, not just true in the sense that it gives us a helpful framework to understand how we function, but true that Christ is the son of God?\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Peterson, he informed us, answered:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI\u2019m certain that it\u2019s true. I wouldn\u2019t claim to be able to explain what that means because I don\u2019t know what it means.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My immediate reaction was: how can an educated person responsibly state that he is certain of something being <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">true<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, but doesn\u2019t know what it <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">means<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let\u2019s imagine the question had been, &#8220;Do you believe that quantum physics provides an accurate account of how the physical universe functions?&#8221;\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A person who understands physics might say that s\/he understands it to be the best explanation we have. A person ignorant of physics might say that they actually don\u2019t know enough to have an informed opinion. But how much sense would it make for an educated person to say, \u201cI\u2019m certain it does, but I don\u2019t know what it means\u201d? Quantum physics being about irreducible indeterminacy and uncertainty, such an expression of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">certainty<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> would, in any case, be slightly comical.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But as their conversation proceeded, by Sheridan\u2019s account, it became clear that Peterson, with a deep understanding of mythology and psychology, regards the myths of biblical religion as having an existential meaning of universal significance. Sheridan, on the other hand, is certain that Jesus literally was \u2018the Son of God\u2019, came to \u2018save us from sin\u2019, rose up off the ground into \u2018Heaven\u2019 after his resurrection and will literally \u2018come again\u2019 to usher in the millennium.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These are two very different positions. At the ARC conference, they appear to have overlapped, for Peterson and Sheridan and many others because the gathering shared a sense that, as Sheridan wrote, quoting Peterson:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cFive centuries of ascendant reductionist Enlightenment rationality have revealed that this starkly objective world lacks all intrinsic meaning. A century and a half or more of corrosive cultural criticism has undermined our understanding of and faith in the traditions necessary to unite and guide us.\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Truly? Five centuries ago takes us back to 1524. Martin Luther had just nailed his theses to the door of Wittenberg cathedral and ignited the Protestant Reformation. Over the following century and a half, Europe (or \u2018Christendom\u2019 as believers called it and still call it) would be torn apart by religious wars and persecutions, by the Inquisition and hunts for witches by both Protestants and Catholics, by the burning at the stake of heretics and schismatics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is that the Golden Age to which Peterson or Sheridan would have us revert? Peterson, in both his books \u2013 <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Maps of Meaning<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">12 Rules for Life<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u2013 argues that what we need is \u201ca self-confident, well-informed, engaged and responsible citizenry\u201d. Sheridan appears convinced that the only way this can be achieved is by all of us becoming Catholics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To be fair to Sheridan, he communicates Peterson\u2019s articulate position that \u201cunderlying all human meaning are the basic stories that people intuit, or understand, or tell themselves, or are told\u201d. But he then adds, \u201cunderlying everything in our civilisation\u2026are the stories of the Bible\u201d. Everything? I hardly think so.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There is a great deal more to Western civilisation and, indeed, civilisation at large, than Christianity or religion of any kind. Not to see or acknowledge this is simply ridiculous. And if it is responsible citizenship one seeks to inculcate, there are resources both before and after the era of Christendom which can be of the greatest value and efficacy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I share some of the concerns of Peterson and am fascinated by the wide appeal of his <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">12 Rules for Life <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(2018). It belongs in much the same category, I think, as Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (also first published in 2018).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What rationalist would argue that everything is just fine, and we have no need for stocktaking and better guides to responsible citizenship? Would Sam Harris make such a claim? Would Steven Pinker, author <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Better Angels of Our Nature<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and other very enlightened books? Did Bertrand Russell ever make such a claim?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/rationalist.com.au\/make-a-donation\/\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14104\" src=\"https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024.png 1600w, https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024-300x75.png 300w, https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024-1024x256.png 1024w, https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024-768x192.png 768w, https:\/\/rationalemagazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Support-in-2024-1536x384.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If we grant Peterson\u2019s primary premise (that human beings derive their value orientations from sto<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ries about heroes) and even his secondary one (that the Jesus story of sacrifice and redemption has had such an impact because it is a paradigmatic hero myth), we can at least engage in an intelligent conversation about Christianity, myth and human character.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But for that conversation to get anywhere worth going, it has to be agreed that the myth \u2013 like all myths, however edifying \u2013 is empirically and historically <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">not true<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. The Catholic Church is founded upon dogmatic interpretations of that myth. Sheridan is deeply committed to those dogmas. He will have to forgive the rest of us if we politely decline to join him in his beliefs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Peterson is another matter, I think. There is some risk of him becoming a cult figure and a guru, which is undesirable. But the kind of conversation he conducts about myths, stories, principles, responsibility, citizenship and transcending banality is certainly worth participating in.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let it be said here, finally, that I was raised a Catholic, gave prolonged thought to its tenets and reached what I regard as well-founded conclusions about its place in Western civilisation. 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